Sound Makes The World | Episode 5

What if the most powerful technology you’ll ever use is a single syllable spoken with a steady heart? We explore how creation moves from infinite stillness to vibration, why sound is the first pattern that organizes reality, and how a simple mantra can reshape your inner world and your day-to-day choices. This isn’t lofty talk; it’s a practical path to coherence.

We unpack the difference between speaking to the divine and vibrating with the divine. Prayer asks; mantra embodies. When we pray as if it’s already received, attention aligns with the frequency we want to live in. From the Vedic map—ether birthing sound, air, fire, water, and earth—to cymatics showing tone shaping matter, sound emerges as the blueprint beneath form. That’s why ancient languages and mantras were crafted with precision: sequences of syllables generate specific effects, forming yantras, clearing the mind, and tuning the nervous system.

We also tackle modern pitfalls: chasing a thousand mantras versus mastering one, outsourcing healing versus stepping into agency, and using language that quietly undermines our state. You’ll hear why repeating a single mantra through everyday moments can do more than a new technique, how solfeggio and chakra frequencies can support emotional balance, and why energetic discernment in intimacy matters. Most of all, we return to the simplest guidance: seek the highest frequency you can name—Christ, Ram, Shiva, Medicine Buddha—and let that devotion organize the rest.

If you’re ready to trade asking for becoming, press play. Then try one mantra, all day, for a week. Notice what shifts. If it helps, share this episode with a friend, subscribe for more, and leave a review to tell us which frequency you’re choosing next.

• stillness before vibration as the ground of being
• ether and sound as the first movement of spirit
• mantra vs prayer and how each works
• sound organizing matter, yantra as visible mantra
• choosing one mantra over many for depth
• language hygiene and words as spells
• frequencies, bowls, and chakra resonance
• healing from spiritual to physical and back
• discernment in intimacy as energetic hygiene
• praying as if received and blessing with presence
• seeking God first to let life align

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Transcript

Stillness Before Sound

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Even Maharaji, Ram Das's teacher, his whole thing was just Rom. He had notebooks of just Rom, Rom, Rom, Rom. His mantra was Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom. So even just one syllable, just Rom, can liberate you. So why are people not liberated? Like they think it's too easy, they get bored, they don't do it, they think, oh, that's too simple. It can't be like that. The ego thinks, no, that's way too simple. It must be more complicated than that. Really, it's not. It's about meditating on a vibration, meditating on a frequency, and using that frequency to open us up, to open our heart, to get connected, finding a place of connection. And we don't need something else. We don't need another song, another mantra. No. We have everything we need. We just need to open our hearts to surrender, to let go of our attachment to our identity, and to fall into a mantra, to fall into a vibration or a prayer, to fall into a frequency, to go towards a higher frequency or a higher vibration, and use that vibration to open our hearts, to let go, and to find a place of connection with that vibration that existed at the origin. And from that connection to there, everything organizes, our body organizes, we organize on the subtle level, we organize on the energetic level, and we become a clean and clear channel for spirit, for prana. Yeah. We begin.

Opening And Episode Setup

SPEAKER_02 1:24

Welcome to episode five of the Eternal Faith Podcast. Here with my brother Dylan. My name is Jaden. And what are we talking about today? Sound and vibration.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Sound, vibration, mantra, how the whole world is made out of vibration. You know, it's interesting. Even as we were doing the that mantra before, I remember Anand talking about how with the mantra, it's more about your experience as you're doing it. So when I do mantra, it's less on me saying the mantra itself and more on how I'm feeling as I'm speaking about it.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

That's one thing that I was wondering if we should talk about today, because we're talking about mantras, we're talking about prayer, we're talking about vibration and how it's a vibrationary world. But all of these things at the end of the day are tools to come into your connection, to come into that place of stillness, into that place of being. Because we could compare prayer and we could compare mantra, and you could make an argument about why mantra is superior to prayer. You could make an argument as to why prayer

Mantra, Prayer, And Connection

SPEAKER_02 2:33

is better than mantra, right? We could probably both come up with reasons why one is better than the other one, but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is the connection that you have. So there's many different paths, but they all lead to the same place. And that same place is a stillness, I feel. I feel it's a stillness in connection. Because the times where I've been the most connected to God in my life, and when I think all of us have been the most connected to God, is when we're able to find a stillness in motion, right? Even if we are in motion, usually we're experiencing a deep stillness and presence of being, and that feeling is what we relate to as God or that we call God, that state of being. And it kind of goes into what we're about to talk about as well, because we're gonna talk about how spirit comes into form. And one thing I was thinking about today is well, what is going on before form? Before there's any form, there's

Ether And The Birth Of Vibration

SPEAKER_02 3:31

complete stillness, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:33

Yeah, maybe we could talk about the the origin of creation, about how everything in existence came to be.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Yeah, let's continue on the spirit point because and then we'll go into the in the beginning was the word and the word was God. Okay. So anyway, I was reflecting on how ether is the first movement of spirit, right? In Arya Veda and Hinduism, there's five elements: there's ether, there's air, there's fire, there's water, and there's earth. And the ether element is all around us. The sense that's associated with ether is sound or hearing or listening, but it's sound. Ether is connected to vibration. So in the beginning, there's pure consciousness, unmanifested, infinite stillness, right? It's Lord Vishnu lying on the eternal waters, or it is God in that state of infinite stillness. So it's in the beginning was the word, but what was before the word? Before the word was infinite stillness, unmanifested, right? There's spirit that has not manifested yet, so it's just pure consciousness. When there is a movement of the spirit, that is where ether comes in, and that is where vibration comes in. So sound is the first creation, and it's sound through vibration. So ether starts to move. There's a movement of spirit, which creates vibrations, those vibrations are sounds, and that is the beginning of creation. In the beginning was the word, and the word was a vibration, and that vibration went forth and created everything. Because that's what they say in Hinduism. They say that all sounds are contained inside of the Om. So

How Sound Organizes Creation

SPEAKER_02 5:10

in the beginning there was a vibration of spirit with sound, maybe one sound, maybe infinite sounds, but it's the same. Whether they were infinite or if there was one, it's the same. And those sounds or that sound went forth and it organized all of creation. It's like how when you see the sounds affect on sand or you see sounds effect on water when they play this frequency music and you see it organizes into mandalas. That's what we're living in. We're living in a universe in the beginning with stillness unmanifested, boom, big bang, from there, how did it all organize? Everyone has that question. This universe that we're living in is so incomprehensible. No human being can really understand the world that we're living in and how it was created. We can't explain it. We can't explain how we got here or how it happened or any of it. The hardest thing to understand is how did all of this organize, right? There's so much harmony. As much as people want to say that there's disharmony in life, there is so much harmony, way more harmony than there is disharmony. For example, it rains and the plants live off of the rain, and we as humans can live off of the plants, or animals live off of the plants, right? Small example, or the ocean is a good environment for fish, or this planet has an atmosphere that we can live in ourselves. Like that is harmony. From a huge explosion, we manifest it here. That in itself is harmony. So there's so much harmony that exists, and you can't really explain it. So you have to ask yourself, how did God organize all of this? Where did the harmony come from? The harmony came from sound. Maybe this is a good time to go into John chapter one. In the beginning was the word. The word was with God, and the word was God. In the beginning was a holy vibration, which we will just call om. In Hinduism, they say it was the om. So in the beginning, there was a vibration. Om. The word was with God. So God had the holy om. God had the holy vibration, and the word was God. The vibration itself, that vibration

Vibration Into Elements And Matter

SPEAKER_02 7:19

at the beginning of creation is God itself. God has the vibrations with him, and those vibrations are God. They're inseparable. This is a vibrational reality. It's an energetic reality. You know, we are vibrations and energies condensed into matter, which we're gonna finish talking about how that process happens. The vibrations existed in the beginning with God. In the beginning was just vibration, which was God and was with God, and nothing was created except through Him. Everything was created through this vibration. The Word gave life to everything that was created. So in the beginning, it's what we said. In the beginning, there's pure consciousness, unmanifested, infinite stillness. It's what is there before before vibration. Exactly, before vibration. Thank you. What's there before vibration is pure consciousness, unmanifest, infinite stillness. And there is the word, and there is God there in the beginning, before anything, but it's not in movement. Then there's the first movement of spirit, vibration begins. And that is when you could say if God created the world, what happened is God sent forth all of this sound. God sent forth all of the prayers, all of the holy mantras, all of the names of all of the most beautiful energies in the world, right? All of the prayers were there. All of the mantras were there. Hail Mary, the Our Father, every language that's ever been said, every sound that's ever been created, it's all contained in that ohm. So that ohm goes forth and it just organizes all of reality by its vibration alone. All of the mantras, they go forth and they organize reality. They organize all of that energy. It's just like when you play a frequency for water, or when you play a frequency for sand and it organizes into a mandala, it's the same thing. Life goes forth and is organized by these sounds, by these vibrations, creating harmony, creating order, creating the most beautiful existence we could ever imagine.

Why Sound Heals The Subtle Body

SPEAKER_02 9:20

And that's the beginning. So there's ether and there's sound. When the vibration starts to move, there's the air element is created. Right? When the ether starts to move, when the vibration starts to move all around, air is created. And air is related to touch and air is related to movement. When the air starts moving enough, it creates friction, right? If air is moving here, air is moving there, it starts to create a friction. When the friction gets hot, it starts to create fire. The fire is related to the light, transformation, digestion, illumination, sight. When the fire cools down, it creates the water, related to fluidity, related to blood, related to life force, the emotions. And when the water starts to become more dense, it creates the earth element, structure. Earth is related to smell, it's the physical reality. So the physical reality is the lowest vibration of spirit, right? It is spirit that has been condensed through this process into form. So what does that mean about sound? If we know the order of things, that the process of spirit moving into form starts with the ether element and it starts with vibration, it starts with sound. What does that say about sound? It says that sound has a tremendous impact on us as human beings. Sound is subtle. In Aryurveda, the things that are the most powerful are the subtle. The subtle guna, the subtle quality is the most powerful. So sound can have an extremely powerful effect on us and on our spirit. And that's something very interesting to think about how are we using sound, especially when we start to realize how important it is based on the effect that sound can have on us.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

One question I had, and I don't know how exactly on topic this is, but I know that different yantras are created based on the frequency.

Yantra As Sound Made Visible

SPEAKER_01 11:11

And you were talking about before vibration, there's that pure stillness, consciousness, and stillness. Is there a yantra that is composed from that place?

SPEAKER_02 11:22

A yantra is a form of a mantra. When the ancient Rishis in India were meditating and they were saying certain mantras, they would start to see a mandala inside them, outside of them, but they started to see that certain sequences of sounds or certain sequences of vibrations would create a pattern. And that pattern that the sound formations created is a yantra. So a yantra requires sound. But the thing to understand is what you asked about how do you explain that state before there's any vibration, the state before the ether. You have to understand that every single thing that ever manifested or ever will manifest is already contained in that place. So it's not like, oh, is there one yantra associated with that place? There's a symbol associated with Om. We know that. Right? But that state that you're talking about is even before Om. Yes, it's the formless. It's formless and it's the infinite unmanifest, right? There's an infinite number of things that are contained in that. And that's the thing that nobody knows how to put a name on it, right? Catholics would call it God. But I think in Hinduism they have a better name for it, which is they have Brahma, who's the creator, they have Vishnu, who's the sustainer, and they have Shiva, who's the destroyer and creator, you know, all of it. But they call that experience that's beyond everything else the Brahman, like the eternal, right? The eternal spirit. Because it's so impossible to comprehend that they have a different name for it. Because if we just say, oh, well, this is God, is yeah, but that doesn't really explain what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Yeah, I think in Buddhism they just call it being this, right? But so okay, so we see how important sound is and how it works with us on the subtle layer. Can you talk about how we can use sound for our own healing in our everyday lives? How can you use sound to heal yourself?

SPEAKER_02 13:33

I think it's helpful to understand to just go a little bit even deeper into the concept of what sound is and how does sound heal us even more? Because how can we use sound to heal ourselves is a really good question. But I want to go a little bit deeper into how does sound heal us to begin with. Like why does this thing even work as a method in the first place? And to explain that, I'm just gonna try to explain a vision that I had once of I saw all of creation that was organizing. I saw there was this one light, it was a white light for me, but in that white light, it contained

Do Deities Create Mantras Or Vice Versa

SPEAKER_02 14:10

every single color in the universe, and it was entirely changing and moving. You couldn't really put your finger onto what it was exactly. The forms were changing, the colors were changing, it was always moving and it was formless, but it was so so beautiful, and in that formlessness there was sound, and there was really beautiful sound. There was ohm, there was every mantra ever created, there was every song ever created, right? There were such beautiful things that were contained in that light that I saw. And I saw that in that light, right? It it's almost like a lot of what we're doing in Arya Veda is we're connecting people back to nature, we're connecting them back to the rhythms and cycles of nature, and we're reminding them that they are a part of nature. So to follow like the natural laws of existence. And I saw that at the beginning of creation, there were all these natural laws that were there. There were these sound patterns that came in, and they were natural, they're very closely related to the energies and vibrations that existed there at the beginning of time. So, you know, there are these ancient languages, these ancient chants. Every culture has used some form of chanting. Even in Christianity, there's monks chanting, or there's Gregorian chanting, and Buddhism a lot of chanting, Hinduism chanting, and Native American cultures, there's a lot of chanting. They all use this form of chanting, this form of harmony to connect with God in a certain way. So I was saying that with Aurveda, a lot of what we're doing is we're connecting back to the natural laws of existence. It's connecting back to the natural laws that were there from the beginning of time. So, how did our ancestors drink water? How did our ancestors eat food? I think with the mantras, it's a very similar thing. There were these sounds that existed at the beginning of creation that were in harmony. When you say these sounds together, they form mandalas, they form beautiful geometric shapes, and they form beautiful emotions, beautiful patterns, beautiful thoughts in your life. So for some reason, these ancient cultures were tapped in enough to connect with that energy of God, right? In the beginning was the word, in the beginning was God. So these ancient cultures were able to connect to those vibrations that existed at the origin, that existed at the beginning of creation, and they were able to channel some aspect of that point of creation into their lives. And when they would chant that mantra, when they would chant that sound, they would align themselves back with the energy that existed, that energy that is God, that energy that is at the beginning of creation, right? Because again, going back to yoga, our natural state is consciousness and bliss. That's what it says in the Yoga Sutras, Satchittananda.

Mantra As Technology And Design

SPEAKER_02 17:04

So if our natural state is consciousness and bliss and we're not living in that consciousness and bliss, we must not be living in accordance with the natural laws of life. So the mantra is something that influences our energetic body, it influences our subtle body, and we're calling on an energy, and that energy is going to be able to reorganize us and realign us so that we can move into more consciousness and into more bliss. And what is mantra in general? Mantra is just a series of syllables, even omna shivaya, om na ma shivaya, five syllables, six syllables. They call it the five-syllable mantra, but I guess it's omna shivaya, kind of seems like six to me. But anyway, even that mantra is just a sequence of sounds. And you could say, well, then who is Shiva? If this mantra is just a sequence of sounds, why do people worship Shiva? And again, you have to understand how the universe was created. Like what came first? Shiva or Omna Mashivaya? I don't know. Do you get what I'm saying? Like these sounds, this is how precise and how perfect and how in harmony all of creation is. Like there is a certain sound sequence, Omna Mashivaya, and it happens to have this positive effect on us, this positive effect on the body, and there is a being named Shiva who we worship. But again, he's just an energetic, a vibrational being as well. You get what I'm trying to say? What came first? Did the mantra and the sound create Shiva, or did Shiva's existence create the sound?

SPEAKER_01 18:42

Well, in the Shiva Purana, don't they say that Shiva was always there? And so then there would be in that version, they say that Shiva's first.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

Shiva represents the eternal spirit in the Shiva Purana, that's what they say, is he's the consciousness unmanifested, right? He's that state before the ether. But what I'm saying is, how does Shiva even come about? Right? Does Shiva already exist? And then

Frequencies, Chakras, And Sound Bowls

SPEAKER_02 19:09

people come up with the mantra, Omna Mashivaya, or did people realize that the mantra, Omna Mashivaya, has a positive effect on them, and then they found this energy when they chanted it, Shiva. So they kind of created Shiva from the vibration and from the sound. You get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Yeah, because they there's no who came first, they just have always been. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

It's it's like this it's like the discovery of gravity. Or scientists today, they're discovering all of these natural laws, right? Did mankind invent gravity? No, they realized that it was there, they discovered how to understand that it was there, right? For a lot of time in humanity, they might may not have understood gravity or understood that it was there, but it was always there. Whether humans realize That or not, gravity was always there, but now gravity has a name. My point is there are these natural orders to the universe. There is a natural harmony. It's a natural order, a natural way of things that exists. So, for example, in regards to Shiva, what I'm saying is, yeah, there's no one came first. It's like, of course, there was a vibration, Om the Mashivaya, and we know it's a vibrational reality. That reality creates everything, so it's Om na Mashivaya, and then there's a Shiva there who were chanting that mantra too. But the mantra itself, the series of sounds, has an effect on the body already. I don't know how much I understand it myself, but even just for us to have the learning, what I'm saying is, right, is Hanuman always there or is Hanuman created from the sound, Hanuman, from the syllables put together?

SPEAKER_01 20:53

Because the way I'm thinking about it, the energy that Hanuman represents has always been there since the beginning of time. And but at the same time, Umhanumate Namaha was also there in the beginning of time. And so I don't think we can say what came first, but I think the more that the energy is called on, the more vibrant it becomes. So I think that the more people pray into Hanuman almost increases that energy in the world. Okay, this is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 21:24

Did Hanuman create the mantra? Om Hanumate Namaha? Or did the

Healing Flows: Spiritual To Physical

SPEAKER_02 21:30

mantra create Hanuman? You get what I'm trying to say? It's getting there. Because the mantra itself has a sequence of sounds, and each sound has a characteristic. Each sound has an energy that's associated with it. That's why every time they chanted a mantra, they would see a different yantra. They would see a different symbol that's associated with that sound. So is Hanuman just the symbol that is associated with that sequence of sounds together? Let's just move on.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Well, we we can move on. But at its core, all these Hindu gods are energies. The mantra, it's calling on the specific energy. And I understand that the sequence of syllables creates the form of the mantra. Is it it gives form to the sounds? Well, what do you think? Do you think it was Hanuman or do you think it was the mantra?

SPEAKER_02 22:28

They happen at the same time. You can't distinguish. What I'm trying to say is they didn't create the mantra om na mashivaya because Shiva was there and then somebody was like Omnamashivaya. No, that's not what happened. What I believe happened is in the beginning was everything. There already was a vibration. There already was the mantra Omnamashivaya, and there already was Shiva. The mantra kind of created Shiva, and Shiva also probably had the mantra coming for him. Because it's all just energy. Like you can't separate Shiva from Omnamashivaya. It's the same energy. So what's the point? The point was just to explain that sound is the foundation of everything, and sound creates everything, and there is a harmony in sound. And a lot of these older ancient languages, you can look up these people who study these ancient languages, and they say that literally learning these ancient languages is healing on the body. Like there are certain sounds that you would make in those ancient languages that literally were healing and cleansing and moving energy in the body. And for some reason we've moved away from those. We've gotten into these, you know, Germanic languages like English or these Romantic languages like Spanish, and it's nice, it's fine. But a lot of these ancient languages, the way that they were talking, it was so good at moving energy inside of their bodies. It was healing just in itself. So sound in itself is very healing. And when we connect more with

Energetic Exchange In Intimacy

SPEAKER_02 24:02

the sounds that were there at the beginning, at the origin, it's very healing for us. I think the point or the thing I was trying to ask is, for example, let's say there's an ancient Rishi and he's channeling the mantra, Om the Mashivaya, and he hears it. He hears it in his intuitive mind. He hears it coming from the ether. It comes inside of him. He goes, Om the mashivaya, omna mashivaya, um the mashivaya. And then all of a sudden he starts seeing an image of Shiva. That's my point, is what came first. And the thing I was trying to say is the sound creates everything. Like I was trying to explain the order of everything. Like Hanuman could not be named anything except for Hanuman. And Shiva could not be named anything except for Shiva. Because Hanuman, those sounds together create Hanuman, and Hanuman also creates those sounds. And Shiva, the mantra, creates Shiva, and Shiva creates the mantra. So it's explaining the perfect order and the perfect harmony of all of life.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

Mm-hmm. Yes, so the sorry, can I ask something? Yeah. So the energies are already in existence, but the forms are created with the sound.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

Exactly. Yeah, all of the energies of creation are already there in the beginning. And then the first way that they manifest is through sound, and then through the sound, they begin to take a form. But to move on, talk about what is mantra in general. I was journaling the other day. A mantra is a sequence of sounds or vibrations that creates a pattern or a yantra around you, calling on higher energies and frequencies to come into your field to raise your vibration and charge you up, calling on the higher frequencies and vibrations to come into your life and charge your spiritual body, then carrying that vibration with you in your mental and emotional and physical body as well. Just to explain a little bit. It creates a yantra, a mandala. And when you are calling on a certain mantra, right? I liked what we said earlier today. Instead of talking to God like in prayer, a mantra is you begin

Pray As If It’s Done

SPEAKER_02 26:16

to vibrate with God. If I'm doing a mantra, I'm calling on a certain pattern of vibrations. It's a certain pattern of vibrations that creates some type of effect on the body, right? Like the medicine Buddha mantra creates some type of a yantra that is conducive for healing, some type of a pattern that is conducive for healing. Shiva mantra calls on the energy of Shiva. And you could find ones in Christianity as well. Maybe not specifically, we wouldn't think of them as mantras per se, but even something as simple like the Jesus prayer, like Lord Jesus Christ, please have mercy on me. Lord Jesus Christ, please have mercy on me. In that way, at least you're calling on the energy of Christ. You're calling on the energy of Jesus, and you're calling that energy in your life to have a desired effect. So the mantra, it reorganizes your energetic body, it raises your vibration. You're seeking whatever mantra that you're saying, you're raising your frequency, you're calling on that higher vibration, that higher frequency to come down into your body or to come down over your energetic field and to have a desired effect for you. That's why they say words are spells. And that's why the four agreements, the first is to be impeccable with your word, because whatever you're saying is going to have a profound effect on your energetic body. And there are certain prayers, even like the Our Father, or certain mantras, that when you say them, they raise the energy, they raise the frequency or the vibration in your body. The cool thing about mantras and chanting and Hinduism or Tibetan Buddhism is they deeply studied. Sanskrit was a very ancient language, and a lot of these mantras are in Sanskrit, and they really understood sound. They understood sound as a technology. So it's a little bit different me saying a prayer in English versus me saying a mantra, because the mantra was organized because they knew it created a specific pattern or a specific sequence. So in that way, it was like a science and an art of they knew exactly what mantras to use for which use case scenario. They use sound as a technology. They use sound as a healer. They use sound for whatever

From Asking To Embodying

SPEAKER_02 28:20

you needed. They had a technology that they used. They used sound as a technology to get you a desired effect. And these mantras are related to that. So that also goes along with the point I was making, right? Of they figured out the mantras have a specific effect, like om tare, tu tare tu re soha, or like the mantra to Green Tara, like the mantra to the medicine Buddha, the mantra to Shiva, the mantra to Vishnu? They figured out these mantras, the specific sequences of sounds, had a specific effect on the body. That's what I was asking you is did they figure out that this sequence of sounds has a healing effect on my body and then associate that mantra with some type of a healing entity or energy? Or did the healing energy come and give them the mantra to use? I see. You get it? So it's just an interesting thing to think about. Like, did they figure it out through the sound first, or did the deity come first? And it's probably, you know, always together. That's the part of life that's the greatest mystery, and I think that we just can't really understand it. So mantras work that way, and mantras are so powerful because you're connecting with that energy that was there, this very sacred, this very holy energy that existed at the beginning of creation. And when you're chanting these mantras, you're creating a pattern of whatever energy you want to call on in your body. We can use mantras as healing tools if you're sick. Use the medicine Buddha mantra, use the you know, Dunvantari mantra. If you want more strength, call on Shiva, call on Vishnu. It's really cool how we're able to start using these mantras in our life to have a desired outcome and the science behind it, how it's not just random, right? Like they have a certain effect on the body because just by saying the mantra is going to be calling on a certain energy, activating certain things, even the way that the tongue works in the mouth, even the certain spots that you're hitting in the mouth, it's activating certain things inside of yourself. It's an ancient technology that we can use to heal. It's really, really cool and powerful.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

Mm-hmm. And uh I always see those videos on YouTube with sound bowls, and they show different frequencies associated with different I don't know how to categorize it, but like to call on love or to call on you know different aspects.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

It's the same thing. It's calling on a specific frequency, right? A sound bowl is vibrating at a certain frequency or at a certain vibration, and it's understanding the signs. There's this thing called sulfeggio frequencies, and they're proven to work, or there are certain frequencies associated

Protecting With Light And Devotion

SPEAKER_02 31:05

with the different chakras, and certain frequencies activate certain chakras, and it's proven to work. It's the coolest thing ever that you can listen to a certain, you know, uh, I think 528 Hertz is the heart frequency, and you can play 528 Hertz and you can start to have a heart activation. That's a really amazing thing. So it's just understanding the value and the power and the science of sound and how you can use sound in your life to have a profound impact. And then you start to be more conscious of it. You start to change, hey, maybe the music that I'm listening to, I need to start changing it because it is having such a powerful impact on my life, like way more than I'm realizing because it's influencing your subtle body, and the subtle body is ultimately gonna have the most impact on your life. It's like in these energetic healing arts, they're going to heal your energy body, they're going to heal your subtle body. And when they heal the subtle body, they know that from there it's gonna go down and it's gonna fix everything. It's like the belief that old disease starts in the spiritual realm, the spiritual world. And from there, if you're carrying something, it will manifest the same way. If you go and you heal something there, a lot of your issues can be wiped out and just disappeared. So using sound to heal the subtle body, heal the energetic body can start to just influence your life in a completely different direction.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

Can you talk about the reverse about how problems and diseases on the physical realm can eventually go up and become a spiritual problem?

SPEAKER_02 32:34

This is not what any of us want to happen, but if you have a certain ailment that is going on or a certain negative habit that you have occurring in the physical, it's still difficult because that most likely started somewhere in the spiritual, which is why you are that way to begin with. You know, like everything starts in the spiritual, because everything starts in the ether and then it's manifested into form. So I don't know that something starts in the physical, but if you have something from the spiritual that manifests down into the physical, and once it's there with you in the physical, let's say it's eating junk food and you just keep eating more and more junk food, of course, that it will go the other way and it will start to make the karma more thick or more difficult to deal with in the spiritual as well. So that when you have children, when you pass that on to anybody else, they're gonna have a lot more to deal with because you just made

Own Your Power To Bless

SPEAKER_02 33:30

the problem even worse. But the same way it would manifest in the spiritual for them, then manifest down into the physical body eventually, right? Because it's not there in the beginning. They're pure spirit as well, and then they take a body, and the body has certain things associated with it, but that's already in the physical, but it starts from the spiritual, and then once it's in the physical, if they make it worse again, then boom, it makes the spiritual more difficult until eventually somebody, the pain gets so bad, right? The ego causes more suffering, and it also sets you free from suffering, because once you suffer enough, you want to be free. So once it gets bad enough, hopefully somebody, a strong soul, is not going to be able to live with that suffering anymore, and they will heal it down there in the spiritual, in the physical. It doesn't matter where they tackle it, but if they heal it in the physical, they heal it in the spiritual as well. If they heal it in the spiritual, it will come down and heal the physical as well over time.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Yeah, so healing in the spiritual is always the move.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

Well, healing in the spiritual will inevitably lead to healing in the physical, mental, and emotional as well. You can't heal in the spiritual without healing in the physical, mental, and emotional. When people think about healing, it doesn't matter where you start. You can start anywhere. Healing the physical is also gonna help you in healing the spiritual as well, or in becoming a cleaner, purer channel for spirit. Healing the mental and the emotional is also gonna help you be more connected with those vibrations, those higher vibrations of spirit. So it doesn't really matter where you start. But yeah, in general, healing spiritual, healing the spiritual body will organize everything else in your life, just naturally. But if you heal the spiritual enough and you raise

One Mantra, Thousand Times

SPEAKER_02 35:13

your vibration enough, there's gonna be a little bit of an integration period because your physical body's not gonna be able to maintain anymore, so it's gonna force you to get your stuff together very rapidly. That's why the more you make spiritual progress, the more you have to clean up the physical, the more you have to clean up the mental, the more you have to clean up the emotional. You can't grow spiritually without those things cleaning up. And they don't just naturally organize, it will force you to organize it. It takes work, it takes a lot of work. It's not easy. So healing in the spiritual, you're kind of like asking for it. You know, you're asking for those changes to come because you're not going to be able to live the same way that you were before.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

And one other question before you were saying when you have kids, you can pass on whatever ailment there is. I've also heard people say that when you sleep with someone or when you are in union with someone, you pass on issues as well. But I'm not married, so I don't know from my own experience. Um wondering what your thoughts were.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

Yeah, I don't know if it matters if you're married or not married. I think kind of the whole point of sound is to understand that this is a subtle existence. It's an energetic existence, it's a vibrational existence. What's going on when you sleep with someone? You're exchanging fluids and you're exchanging bodily passions on the physical level, but on the emotional level, there's also an exchange, right? On the mental level, there's also an exchange. So then, of course, on the spiritual level, there's also some type of exchange going on, right? But it's more subtle. And because it's more subtle, we don't we're not as aware of it. We're not so aware of what exchange is going on in the spiritual, what's going on. But people who are very in tune or very connected with themselves, I'm not saying that they wouldn't sleep around, but maybe they would just be more discerning about it. I think the point is if someone starts to get more in tune and they had a pattern of sleeping around, a more likely thing is they would become more discerning of their behavior because they do start to realize that everything is an exchange, right? You can't just sleep with somebody or even talk to somebody without having some type of energetic exchange there. So you either learn in life how to protect yourself, how to be strong, how to maintain your own energy. But obviously, if you're sleeping and having sex with somebody, maybe that's possible, but I'm sure that's a whole lot more difficult to be in your own energy if you're literally sharing energy with somebody else. So as you grow, as you get more in tune, you raise your vibration, you'd probably just start to be more discerning over the partners that you're choosing to let into your life. More discerning, not just of the partners, but also you'd be more discerning of when you do it, right? Because a lot of people, they may have sex because they're not feeling well, they're sad, they're depressed, they're anxious, they're bored.

Simplicity Over Spiritual Novelty

SPEAKER_02 38:06

But those aren't necessarily great reasons to be having sex. So a lot of people, they start getting more in tune, they may start to realize that, hey, when I'm feeling upset, I actually want to meditate. And when I have sex, I want to make sure that I'm in a good vibration, that I'm feeling really good about myself, I'm feeling really good about my life in my energy, and I want to share that with somebody else, not use somebody else to make me feel better because I'm not doing but to answer your question again, it's yeah, of course there's some type of exchange. How much you pick up, it depends on you as a person. How much did you share with that person? How involved did you get with that person? How much did you open up? How much did you protect yourself? But you have to understand there's always gonna be some type of exchange that is going on in our lives in any situation, but especially when we're having an intimate connection, there's gonna be a real exchange that goes on there. So you want to be very careful about the people who you're choosing to sleep around with.

SPEAKER_01 39:06

And you were talking about making sure that you do things from a place of wholeness, of a place of empowerment, not from a place of lack. And that reminds me of what we were talking about with prayer about how when we pray, we should be grateful and recognize what we already have, not what we are asking God to give us, because ultimately we have everything.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

Yes, first of all, I agree with you completely, but it's not just being grateful for it, right? It's okay to ask for things, but what Jesus said, he didn't say ask and maybe you'll receive. What Jesus said is whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it and it will be yours. Right? So when you're asking for something, you need to believe that you have already received it. So it's not just gratitude, it's instead. Of saying, please give me strength, right? It's like, thank you for the strength. Thank you for strength. I think that whole thing of prayer is how should we pray? You want to vibrate with the frequency of whatever it is that you want to call in. You know, that's exactly what mantra or chanting is.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

It's it's reminding me of when you do with that level of conviction, it's it's already there. And so it reminds me of what you're talking about before. When you call on Omnamashivaya, is is Shiva already there, or is the mantra creating him? And it's the same time. Exactly. Uh-huh. I uh it's full circle now.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

That's what I was trying to say. I know I wasn't probably explaining it very well, but yeah, that's where again prayer is you're speaking to God. Mantra is like you're vibrating with God. So prayer is like, God, will you please come into my life and please give me strength? And mantra is like, I know a mantra that's gonna give me strength, like omnamashivaya, omnamashivaya, omnamashivaya, like just doing the mantra is you're embodying the strength already in the moment, in real time. In the same way, if you're praying for strength, you're like, God, please give me strength. I'm so weak. It's like that's all we have is this present moment. So going back to knowing this present moment, if you want strength from God,

Don’t Limit The Divine Quality

SPEAKER_02 41:20

call on the vibration, call on the energy of strength in this moment, and from that place, be like, God, thank you for your strength. I can feel your strength coming into me right now. I can feel your vibration of strength moving through my body, moving through me. I can feel the light of strength coming through me right now. That's a lot more empowering. That's like, wow, I didn't have to pray for it or ask for it or wait for God to do it. I was able to feel what I was looking for right now in this moment.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Yeah, you're able to be it, fully embody whatever it was that you were looking for. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

And don't get me wrong, prayer is beautiful. Prayer is, you know, speaking to God. It it can be devotional, talking to God as if God is with you there in the room as if God is your friend. And that can be very beautiful at certain times. And we should all have that relationship to God. When I'm in my darkest moments or in my toughest spots, of course I talk to God. And it's not always easy for me to talk to God from that place of strength. You know, there is such a thing as the grace of God, and God does help out people who come to him when they're in a time of need. That's Hanuman. Hanuman is God's grace. When Ram was struggling, when Ram wasn't able to have that strength, Hanuman appeared to help Ram with his troubles, with his grief, with his worry. So that is a beautiful part of prayer. Of when I'm struggling, I'm talking to God, or in general, I'm just talking to God throughout the day. But if you're praying, most people pray to ask God for things. Most people, 90, probably 99% of prayer is God, please keep me healthy and happy, God, please bless my family, God, please bless my mommy and daddy. And that's fine. That's so beautiful that people pray like that and they talk like that to God, right? But what if instead of me saying, God, please bless my mom and dad, I literally call on the vibration of God to

Seek God First, Let Life Align

SPEAKER_02 43:14

move through me and I bless my mom and dad with the power of Jesus, with the power of God, with the power of Krishna, the power of Ram, whatever it is. But what about that? That's empowering. It's like there's food or there's tea. I have some chai tea here. It's like, God, please bless this tea with love and with sweetness. It's like, okay, great. I'm asking God to bless this. Will God bless it? Probably. It's hard for me to really know. I'm guessing that he or she is going to bless it. But what about this? I call on the highest vibration I can imagine. I call on these colors and these images that I love, this vibration that I love that I want to embody and carry forth in my life. Let's say for right now, that's the vibration of Krishna or Christ or Ram. So I feel that vibration. I call on Christ, I call on Krishna and Ram. I infuse that vibration through my being, through my hand, into this cup of chai. It's like, whoa, that's a little bit different. That's really cool. It's empowering myself. So there's a way to not use prayer as a way of seeing God above in the sky, who, if I'm lucky, is gonna do something for me. No, that vibration that you want, it exists. Call on that vibration deeply from your heart, feel that vibration in your body, carry that vibration through you, and use that vibration in your life to heal yourself, to heal other people. That's what we're all capable of. So when people, when they when they pray and they're asking for this, asking for that, or let's say if someone's feeling really depressed or really sad, and maybe they do get around to praying, they're like, God,

Closing Reflections

SPEAKER_02 44:50

just please get me out of this, please get me out of this. Is God going to help them? In my experience, yes. Again, there is the grace of God. Is God going to help that person? Will there be some kind of a divine intervention? I think probably. But do you want to feel better immediately? There also is a case to make where it's like, I don't know. Some people see this universe as very impersonal. So if somebody's struggling and they're like feeling depressed, they're like, God, I'm I'm not feeling well, I'm God, I'm not feeling good, God, I'm not feeling good. If they keep saying that they're not feeling good, and we know that your words are spells, we know that there's power in what you say, and you keep saying you're not feeling good, it's pretty reasonable to assume that even that sequence of vibrations, that sequence of frequency is a certain vibration that you're putting out to the universe and you're gonna get that back again. You're gonna keep getting back. I'm not feeling good, I'm not feeling good. Sometimes people are saying that God's not there for them or God's not real. I think what they're experiencing is what we're talking about is maybe they did try praying to God, but God wants them to learn this lesson. So there's not gonna be a step-in, there's not gonna be an intervention because there's a lesson to learn, and that person who doesn't believe is strong enough. So when they learn the lesson, when they learn this, that how they are, what they say, what they think, what they do, when they realize all of that matters, then they can experience that, right? God is not a being, it's a feeling, it's a vibration, it's an experience. You can experience God. So when someone's praying again, that depressed person and they're saying, I'm not feeling well, I'm not feeling well, I'm not feeling well, it's like, well, what if instead of just saying that over and over again, what if instead they find, you know, some power that they want in their life, they find some energy that they want to call more into their life, even if that's happiness, and they just really meditate on happiness. You meditate on what you want to call in. Maybe that's Hanuman for somebody, maybe that's Christ smiling at children. Call on that vibration, you know? Call on that vibration of Christ talking with the children, of Christ talking to you, smiling at you. Call on that vibration and say, Thank you, God, for being here with me. Thank you, God, for being here with me. Thank you, God, for being here with me. And guess what? You can feel God with you as you're saying that with conviction and with faith. And it's not so easy to do. This is this is not easy. This can be very difficult. I can feel it as I'm saying it. There were times in my life I felt very depressed. And if somebody told me to do these things, I don't know if I would have been able to do them at the time. But that is where I guess what I learned from that experience that I went through is that I did do a lot of praying to God from a negative state, and I don't know how much help I got from it. I really feel like I started to improve and I started to get help when I started to realize the power and the capacity and the ability that I have within myself.

SPEAKER_01 47:43

Mm-hmm. There's this one video from Gangiji, and the title is Nobody's Going to Save You. And same thing for me. When I was completely reliant on an outside version of God to continue to come and save me, I would go into these like loops where it was this volatile cycle of feeling good for a little bit and then completely letting myself go down again, and then constantly needing to be saved. And yeah, recently it was like, no, you have to do it yourself. Like you have to put in the work, you have to heal yourself. And of course, I can use and call on the vibration of any of the gods that I've developed connections to, but to not expect some type of miracle to just happen, to have to actually be willing to do the work myself.

SPEAKER_02 48:36

Yeah, that's beautiful. And the miracle is there in itself, right? The miracle is there when I'm calling on Christ, when I'm calling on Hanuman. The miracle is already there, right? If I'm like, dear Hanuman, please save me, and I'm praying from there, it's like there's no strength there. There's no how is that gonna make me feel better? What if I meditate on the energy of Hanuman and I think of whatever songs, whatever chants that I know to Hanuman, and I pray with conviction, with full faith that Hanuman's energy is coming through me in real time as I'm meditating on him, in that moment I get strength. In that moment I get energy. In that moment, I know for a fact he's there with me. I don't need some other feeling to come. The feeling is in my faith, in that conviction. So yeah, no one is no one's gonna save us because we wouldn't learn if they did. And in terms of the praying, in terms of the chanting, in terms of prayer in general, right? It's the same thing. If I'm scared, there's this prayer that McKinnah does that I really love. And imagine if you're scared and you're just like, Jesus, Jesus, please save me, please save me, please save me, and you're like terrified. Is that going to really help you in a moment of fear? Probably not. But what if instead this prayer McKinnah does, she goes, I armor myself on the mantle of the Virgin Mary, or I armor myself in the blood of the resurrection of Jesus Christ? That's pretty badass. I armor myself in the blood of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and it gives you something to visualize, right? Or instead of praying like, God, please save me, Jesus, please save me. What if instead you imagine the light of Christ that's shining above, you call on that light and you surround yourself in an energy sphere of light? You surround yourself with a light bubble of protection. Like, what is more empowering? To pray waiting for someone else to save you, or to use these intuitive powers and these gifts that all of us have to call on these beautiful energies and to protect ourselves, to save ourselves, to heal ourselves and to heal the people around us. Right? It's the same thing if I'm walking by somebody and I see that they're struggling. It's one thing for me to say, Oh God, please bless that person. That's fine. And maybe that works, maybe it doesn't. But what about literally you walk by somebody, you see that they're struggling, and you call on light, you call on energy, you call on a beautiful vibration and you send it to that person. Or you put a sphere of light around that person, you look into their energetic body, into their spiritual body, and you organize things, you add beautiful colors, beautiful light, you send beautiful vibrations there to organize and to harmonize. It's like Liam. Liam's like, he's making an energy ball, and then he's like fills it with his good energy and he sends it at you. It's like, yeah, that's awesome. That's really cool. We have that power. We seriously have so much more power than any of us could ever imagine. But we have to use it, like being aware, being conscious. And when it comes to prayer, yeah, I don't want to pray asking for somebody to save me. I don't want to pray asking for something external to you know come in if I'm very lucky and make some changes in my life, because the energy already exists, right? Shiva, we put a form on Shiva, but he's just a vibration, also. He's just an energy. So instead of Shiva, please give me strength. No, the Shiva himself is the strength. The name itself is the strength. The mantra, the vibration itself is the strength. So instead of Shiva, give me strength, like you know, hum the mashivaya, hum the mashivaya, um the mashivaya, like find the strength in it itself. Pretty insane.

SPEAKER_01 52:15

And in regards to mantras, I understand that there are certain sequences that people have found that call on either strength or love or different aspects. But can you talk about the the power of really understanding and embodying one mantra instead of calling on a bunch of different mantras just really understanding one mantra?

SPEAKER_02 52:39

Yeah, that's a beautiful question, and it's something I was thinking about the other day, because Bruce Lee has this quote, and he says, He's not afraid of the guy who knows a thousand kicks, or he's not afraid of the guy who's practiced a thousand kicks one time. He's afraid of the guy who's practiced one kick a thousand times. So I think in the world we live in today, we have access to more information than ever. And we have access to Tibetan Buddhism, which the world has only had access to for, you know, maybe a hundred years, maybe less. We have access to Hinduism, we have access to Catholicism, Christianity, they're uncovering Dead Sea scrolls, you know? We have access to more information, more spiritual information than ever before. And a lot of it's really bad for the record. Not the stuff I'm talking about, but a lot of the content that's out there. Maybe some people think this is bad too. That's fine. Yeah, we have access to more information than ever. And with that, even when it comes to mantras, one thing I found with myself is I've definitely gotten into the mindset at certain times of when I learn that mantra, that's when things will really change for me. And it's interesting because I do have a deep connection to sound and a deep relationship to sound, and I have seen that at certain evolutions in my life, certain mantras come through or new mantras start to come to me, and it seems like I'm leveling up with a new mantra or a more complex mantra. But every time that I've thought that new mantra is gonna change everything for me, guess what? There's another one that comes after it. And I can't help but think that part of that is the spiritual ego, or it's the super ego that thinks that making this progress or learning something more complex or complicated is gonna lead it to deeper spirituality or a deeper level of self-realization. And I've just seen that that's not true. In the Shiva Purana, they say the only thing you need for liberation in the Kali Yuga is the five-syllable mantra, Omnama Shivaya. In the Bhagavata Purana, what they say is that the only mantra you need for your liberation is Omnamo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. And even before that, in the first Yugas, the only thing they had was Om, right? But in the Kali Yuga specifically, it's from the two Puranas I've read, and I'm sure every Purana has a different mantra that they give you for liberation. I think the point is one word, one mantra could lead us to liberation. And I would rather know Om the Mashivaya so well and meditate on that mantra and say that mantra throughout my day and see everybody through the lens of that mantra than to know a thousand mantras not that well. Because that one mantra can liberate you. And a lot of times on the spiritual path, the ego can get involved and think that knowing more or achieving more complexity of practice is going to lead to further liberation or realization. And it really it's not. The liberation comes from a recognition of the self and it comes from an opening of the heart. Nothing else is required, right? So if I know a million mantras, that's not going to help me if I don't open my heart, if I don't come to a place of connection. So again, the most important thing is coming to a place of connection. And if I can come to a place of connection with one mantra, that's beautiful. And anybody can do that. I think we look for the complexity because it keeps it interesting. Why do we need it to stay interesting? It's like we get bored, and we do. I mean, we do get bored, we get jaded, we can get disinterested at times, and this new information helps to keep it fresh. Thanks be to God that God keeps it very interesting, it keeps us engaged, but it's really not required. There's no mantra that's required, there's no special mantra that leads you to your liberation, right? There's no special prayer that sets you free. All of them can, all of them have the power to. So I think it's very beautiful and a great practice to just for us to realize all of the tools that we have available and to be grateful for what we have available. Because we have so many tools, we have so many remedies, so many pujas, so many prayers at our fingertips nowadays. And we should be so, so grateful for what we know and not think that we need to know any more. We don't need to know more, we need to practice more. Like I don't need to learn another mantra. I need to be more in my mantras every day, every second of the day. In my head, Om the Mashivaya, Om the Mashivaya, Hare Krishna, Om Hanuman, or just meditating on Christ, meditating on the light of Christ. I need to do more of calling on these energies in my life. We already know all these energies. It's like, do I expect another Jesus to come and like, oh, that's what I need? No, it's the same thing. I'm waiting for something to save me versus using the tools that I have to liberate myself, to bring myself into more consciousness and into more light.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

Yeah. There's so much information.

SPEAKER_02 57:21

Yeah. So even just imagine what you would get out of the day. Even Maharaji, Ram Das's teacher, his whole thing was just Rom. He had notebooks of just Rom, Rom, Rom, Rom. His mantra was Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom. So even just one syllable, just Rom, can liberate you. So why are people not liberated? Like they think it's too easy, they get bored, they don't do it, they think, oh, that's too simple. It can't be like that. The ego thinks, no, that's way too simple. It must be more complicated than that. Really, it's not. It's about meditating on a vibration, meditating on a frequency and using that frequency to open us up, to open our heart, to get connected, finding a place of connection. And we don't need something else. We don't need another song, another mantra. No, we have everything we need. We just need to open our hearts to surrender, to let go of our attachment to our identity, and to fall into a mantra, to fall into a vibration or a prayer, to fall into a frequency, to go towards a higher frequency or a higher vibration, and use that vibration to open our hearts, to let go and to find a place of connection with that vibration that existed at the origin. And from that connection to there, everything organizes, our body organizes, we organize on the subtle level, we organize on the energetic level, and we become a clean and clear channel for spirit, for prana.

SPEAKER_01 58:48

Yeah. I was thinking of something, and it it kind of goes into what we might talk about in our manifestation episode, though. Of if I'm calling on the vibration of Rom and I'm feeling his vibration, it could feel very enticing for me to want to extract certain qualities from that energy based on what I think I need. For example, I could be feeling into the vibration of Rom and think that I might need more strength in my life and focus on one aspect of Rom. But that doesn't seem like the best solution. It doesn't seem it seems like that's almost a hindrance to fully connecting with Rom by itself.

SPEAKER_02 59:32

It's just limiting because it's under the assumption that you know what's best for you at a given time. And I'm all about empowerment. I'm all about that. We all should feel empowered, we all should connect with our heart, but I also am all for humility. And I know for myself and my life, I've never known what's best for me. I've never known the next step until God or life reveals it to me. So if that was me, for example, and I'm you know, I'm meditating on ROM and I feel Like I need more strength in my life, that's fine. That's okay. You know, call on that strength. Do what you want to do. If you feel like there's a certain energy that you need, call on that energy, but also understand that I may not need more strength in my life, right? I may need more surrender. I may need more humility. I may not need like strength to power through. I may need to soften and to let go. So that's where Rom also embodies that. So again, yeah, with these deities, there's all these characteristics associated with a certain energy. Calling on strength also works if that's what you want to embody. It's a personal preference. For me personally, I don't want to limit myself to one attribute or one quality. I want to reach for the highest possible manifestation of frequency or vibration that I can imagine. And for me, that is these, you know, that's Christ, that's Krishna, that's Ram, Hanuman. So when I reflect on those guys, when I call on those energies, I don't really know what I'm gonna get. I don't know. But I'm calling on the the closest thing to that eternal spirit that I can imagine. I'm trying to call on that energy to come into my life and to organize and to align me with my path for liberation, with my path for consciousness and bliss. Mm-hmm. Again, we will talk about it next week on the episode about manifestation. But if someone's trying to manifest a girlfriend in their life and they keep thinking about girlfriend, girlfriend, girlfriend, what if a girlfriend's not what they need? Well, we'll we'll talk about manifestation next week. Yeah, we'll talk about it next week, but my point is what if a girlfriend is not what they need at that point in time? Right? They're calling on a girlfriend, they're thinking about a girlfriend, thinking about a girlfriend. But what if a girlfriend's only gonna make things worse for them? Or it's not the right time for them to have a girlfriend, or if they wait, they're gonna meet the girl of their dreams. The point is, why be calling on a girlfriend instead call on God? Right? That's the whole point. It's the whole thing we're doing here. We're realizing God, we're calling on God, we're getting connected to God. So instead of searching all these other things, right? It's the same teaching, always search for God, and everything else will organize. It's the same thing you asked of, you know, where do we start the healing process? It's like, well, you could try to make money to be happy, you could try to get a car to be happy, you could try all these methods on the physical to be happy, or you could just search for God and that will organize and bring happiness into your life, right? That's what we said about the bodies. You can heal in the physical and you're gonna have to heal this, heal that, heal that. It doesn't necessarily mean you're healing the spiritual, or you go and you heal the spiritual and everything else will organize eventually. So seek God, search for God if you're gonna search for anything. If you're gonna manifest something, manifest the vibration of God in your life. Why would you manifest anything else? It's a means to an end. It's a waste of time. Manifest God. From there, everything else will organize. You'll have exactly what you need and what you want. Maybe not what you want, but definitely what you need. Definitely what you need. Probably not what you want at first, until you do more work, and then your will becomes aligned with God's will, and then what you want is what God wants for you. That's when boom, boom, boom, you're a rocket ship. Things are happening beautifully. I feel complete. Yeah, we can end. That was good.